tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post2486113731319244866..comments2024-01-12T00:32:20.149-08:00Comments on The Overhead Wire: The Mountains Win AgainPantograph Trolleypolehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17833159138533550544noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post-46792039973463285812009-05-18T17:16:00.000-07:002009-05-18T17:16:00.000-07:00I also never fly out of OAK because I can't rely o...I also never fly out of OAK because I can't rely on AirBART. Adds another 30 minutes to each direction of the trip. So I have mixed feelings about the decision.<br /><br />Anyway, the suburbanites didn't win the race so much as the urbanites shot themselves in the foot.<br /><br />I still can't believe people are claiming status quo AirBART is adequate. AirBART is without exception the hokiest transportation in the Bay Area. Bad route, infrequent service, no timed transfer, pointless and inconvenient extra charges. Even if you upgrade the service, you're still stuck with the lousy brand.<br /><br />BRT proponents didn't help their cause by proposing a 10-stop wild ride through Oakland which was an obvious attempt to use BART dollars from three counties to get Oakland a free local bus service. Nice job, guys.theonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post-44120708708586736682009-05-16T10:30:00.000-07:002009-05-16T10:30:00.000-07:00Lots of views, comments, and editor responses to c...Lots of views, comments, and editor responses to comments in response the <A HREF="http://switchingmodes.com/2009/05/14/capital-costs-vs-operational-costs-the-general-state-of-misdirected-anger/" REL="nofollow">article</A> at Switching Modes, that says this project is a good idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post-29864440669545671172009-05-15T15:54:00.000-07:002009-05-15T15:54:00.000-07:00Why BART, why not more commuter trains?Why BART, why not more commuter trains?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post-24355874344476798212009-05-15T15:24:00.000-07:002009-05-15T15:24:00.000-07:00If we're throwing money around just to salve Oakla...If we're throwing money around just to salve Oakland's ego, can't we have something useful like LRT downtown rather than a single-destination shuttle?<br /><br />I agree that we should not view these issues as a fight between capital investment and operating costs, and should instead fight for more money for both. But capital funding will never be infinite, and as others have noted there are much, much worthier capital projects in the bay area.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post-44712582971156789072009-05-15T15:11:00.000-07:002009-05-15T15:11:00.000-07:00FWIW $500 million is what BART predicted a 30th/Mi...FWIW $500 million is what BART predicted a 30th/Mission infill station would cost. And for that you would get more than 4,350 riders per <I>day</I>.<br /><br />I share switchingmodes' philosophy about capital improvements, in general. But I do question BART's priorities when deciding which projects are built and which gather dustPedestrianisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03067236246319422235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post-19824454136498563412009-05-15T14:33:00.000-07:002009-05-15T14:33:00.000-07:00I'm all in favor of this. I never *ever* fly out o...I'm all in favor of this. I never *ever* fly out of OAK precisely because of having to ride a bus to the airport.<br /><br />Mind you, I still will prefer SFO due to the direct BART train into the airport itself -- and really OAK should build this instead of adding another transfer into the mix.<br /><br />Still, the addition of a non-carsickness-inducing mode between my home and OAK will make me actually consider flying out of there.JimSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post-80767337763967694142009-05-15T10:46:00.000-07:002009-05-15T10:46:00.000-07:00The airport connector isn't a win for the suburbs,...The airport connector isn't a win for the suburbs, it's a win for heavy construction contractors and a salve to Oakland's ego. AirBART is as fast as the proposed monorail, has lower fares and pays for itself. It does get caught in traffic a few days per year, which is a problem that could be fixed with a few queue jumping lanes. $50 million would be more than enough to double the bus fleet, install such lanes and run it for free forever. AirBART currently has about 3600 daily riders. Making it free, more resistant to traffic and more frequent, which could be done for less that $50 million would be a far better way to add 750 daily riders than building a monorail which would cost much more to operate and have higher fares.Winstonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00043006960450523372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post-18012671809583279432009-05-15T10:36:00.000-07:002009-05-15T10:36:00.000-07:00No, I think the anger is properly directed after a...No, I think the anger is properly directed after all. There are dozens of CAPITAL projects around the region that would provide much more benefit for the money spent. And, please don't <B>ever</B> use the argument of "but the feds are giving us money for it". That's one of the main arguments Robert Moses used to push through his highway projects.crzwdjkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394805356595604336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post-2586163893533371502009-05-15T10:11:00.000-07:002009-05-15T10:11:00.000-07:00Please Visit Switching Modes for a DIFFERENT TAKE ...Please Visit Switching Modes for a <A HREF="http://switchingmodes.com/2009/05/14/capital-costs-vs-operational-costs-the-general-state-of-misdirected-anger/" REL="nofollow">DIFFERENT TAKE</A> on all of this. <br /><br />I think this project is a good thing. It was discounted with Federal Stimulus dollars. The existing bus is deplorable. We can do better. Not a just a little better, a lot better. This is the way to achieve it. When you consider how much a new parking garage costs, how much a new terminal costs... $500 million is reasonable.<br /><br />LRT is great. But it is not appropriate in this case. It wouldn't have resolved the problem because it wouldn't be grade separated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post-20291136751488916702009-05-15T09:15:00.000-07:002009-05-15T09:15:00.000-07:00no, not the nananas, this was a victory for overpa...no, not the nananas, this was a victory for overpaid worlers and crooked contractors building something we don't need kinda like most defense dept work. Osprey? anyone.david vartanoffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post-56617450002195932912009-05-15T06:45:00.000-07:002009-05-15T06:45:00.000-07:00just sad. The BANANAs win again. We're so screwe...just sad. The BANANAs win again. We're so screwed once gasoline resumes its price increases.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18382275057184120210noreply@blogger.com