tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post5345642333385414833..comments2024-01-12T00:32:20.149-08:00Comments on The Overhead Wire: New Tech & ElectrificationPantograph Trolleypolehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17833159138533550544noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post-82515001731874417592009-06-20T12:17:29.772-07:002009-06-20T12:17:29.772-07:00so they can get their one seat rides.
It's n...<em>so they can get their one seat rides</em>. <br /><br />It's not so much one seat rides but reliable fast rides.Adirondackernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post-73136565372810614592009-06-19T00:48:11.054-07:002009-06-19T00:48:11.054-07:00My take on the "surface mounted induction&quo...My take on the "surface mounted induction" system is that it's quite a bit more expensive than trolley wire. If we go back in history, New York, Washington DC, and (I think) London used a "conduit system" that looked a lot like a cable car line, but had electric contact strips inside the slot instead of wire rope. Where a cable car had a "grip", the conduit powered streetcar had a "plow". This was an expensive and cumbersome system that had all sorts of inherent troubles, but it worked in DC until 1962.<br />To point up its shortcomings, the lines that left DC and went into the suburbs switched to overhead at the District boundary.<br />The surface induction system eliminates the slot, but how about energy losses in the air gap between the inductors and the pickups on the cars? I haven't studied the system in detail, but if something fails, how big a job is it to replace an inductor unit? How expensive are the cars compared to conventional overhead DC powered units?Bob Davisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post-80074862422382488652009-06-15T21:30:00.904-07:002009-06-15T21:30:00.904-07:00Overhead wire 6M per mile? you're kidding.Overhead wire 6M per mile? you're kidding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post-8985076844440997192009-06-15T18:58:36.207-07:002009-06-15T18:58:36.207-07:00It's a little known fact, but real trolleys ar...It's a little known fact, but real trolleys are, in fact, powered by a magic wand. It's a really big one, so big that they have to stick it up on the roof. And trolleybuses are twice as magical because they have two!The Magic Trolleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post-74427820521975368842009-06-15T18:23:09.838-07:002009-06-15T18:23:09.838-07:00I can't bear the thought of smog, and I don...I can't bear the thought of smog, and I don't understand this s**t about overhead wires. No s**t, Sherlock.<br /><br />Arcady: Here's a response I've got:<br />Rail is an ancient 19th century technology, it will soon be replaced by flying cars running on [insert "magic wand" fuel here]!<br />(Just like in The Jetsons.)Matt Fishernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post-61898878612014267682009-06-15T18:17:17.395-07:002009-06-15T18:17:17.395-07:00The electrification of mainline railways is differ...The electrification of mainline railways is different from that of streetcars. It essentially requires catenary because they don't make contactless regional trains yet. <br /><br />Like I said, electrification of mainline railroads is VERY important. I know of numerous instances where people will drive to a park and ride at the end of electric territory rather than board a train in diesel territory so they can get their one seat rides. I've read or heard that people will drive to places such as Ronkonkoma, Croton-Harmon, and Montclair State University (which are all the last stations on certain electric lines where service further out is all diesel).Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08661718934398165129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post-56371746798688463232009-06-15T17:49:25.325-07:002009-06-15T17:49:25.325-07:00The written word is an ancient technology, it will...The written word is an ancient technology, it will soon be replaced by video! The wheel is an ancient technology, it will soon be replaced by flying!crzwdjkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06394805356595604336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6609536178570975752.post-19506411940773334002009-06-15T16:10:00.139-07:002009-06-15T16:10:00.139-07:00There is risk to the new and untried. But you for...There is risk to the new and untried. But you forget the risk of investing in planning and permitting projects spending 4.5 to 6 million dollars PER MILE of track in a 120-year-old technology that could be proven obsolete before the shovel hits the dirt. Bombardier, Alstom, Kawasaki and Shanghai transit (among others) have recently introduced wireless streetcars. It's not us bloggers and readers who are balking at overhead wires; it's the public who's being asked to bet on them and live with the amortization consequenses who are saying whoa!Stanhttp://www.hydrail.orgnoreply@blogger.com